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I'm the proud owner of a new A7RIII and decided to get back on the photo business after 10 years absent. I used to shoot commercial, fashion and portraits, so this decision should be easy for me: 85mm. But I'd like to get into food and I've noticed 50mm is a ver welcomed focal lenght. My question here is, having a limited budget (for now) and a 35mm 1.8 already in the bag, which lens would make more sense to buy next? - Sony 85mm 1.8 for 520€ - Zeiss 55mm 1.8 for 725€ 55mm is the most versatile, but considering the 35mm plus the room 42mpx gives for cropping, I'm thinking I can get away with 35+85, using cropping to "simulate" a 50mm or a 100mm. The minimum focus distance is 0,50m on the 55mm and 0,80m on the 85mm, so I expect magnification to be similar. Does my line of thought make sense or could it be wiser to go for the 55mm? Thank you all in advance for your help. PS: I know the Sony 90mm Macro could be an option, but it's fairly more expensive at 1050€ and I don't believe I would need 1:1 magnification for food photos. ANSWER: This question has not been answered yet. newdom • Contributing Member • Posts: 774 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 27, 2021 1 RuiMarto wrote: The 90mm produces beautiful portraits, but it's very big and heavy as well as being expensive - the 85/1.8 seems to get rave reviews from a lot of people around here so might make more sense being cheaper, smaller, lighter and having those extra stops. I wasn't too impressed by the 55/1.8 personally, and I saw an MTF chart someone posted yesterday that showed it's age - it used to be considered a very sharp lens but now it's way down on more modern lenses. There are more recent 50mm lenses from Sony and Sigma that might be worth a look? Sony a7C Sigma 24-70 F2.8 DG DN Sigma 100-400mm F5-6.3 DG DN OS Sony FE 28-60mm F4-5.6 ahaslett • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,807 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 27, 2021 1 I have the 55mm and 90mm macro. At those kind of distances, the 90mm is king in terms of rendering and sharpness. The 55mm is a little bit over priced, but renders beautifully. Not interested in the 85/1.8, given that I have the macro. It has a reputation as the best value for money of the cheaper Sony lenses. The very best value is the Samyang 135/2, which produces exceptional images but is MF and very heavy. Only you can know which best fits your overall business needs. Your logic for the 85/1.8 seemed good to me. Andrew -- hide signature -- Infinite are the arguments of mages. Truth is a jewel with many facets. Ursula K LeGuin Please feel free to edit any images that I post Sigma DP1 Merrill Sigma DP3 Merrill Olympus E-M1 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1 Sony a7R IV +35 more blank_ • Regular Member • Posts: 488 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 27, 2021 1 RuiMarto wrote: Both are fine on 42mpix. 85mm may be better price/performance and could make more sense in a kit with 35mm. Not sure about the food photography as they both have quite long MFD. I still keep my canon 90mm TS with adapter for product shots and it's way more useful with its 0.5 magnification that my 55mm would be in that scenario. Thank you all in advance for your help. PS: I know the Sony 90mm Macro could be an option, but it's fairly more expensive at 1050€ and I don't believe I would need 1:1 magnification for food photos. Probably not 1:1, but 0.13x may be a problem. Try to calculate what magnification you're gonna need. Sony a7 Canon TS-E 90mm f/2.8 Sony FE 35mm F2.8 Sony FE 55mm F1.8 Sony FE 70-200 F4 +1 more blank_ • Regular Member • Posts: 488 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to newdom • Apr 27, 2021 1 newdom wrote:RuiMarto wrote: not sure what you saw in MTF, but the 55mm is one of the sharpest lenses I've seen. It may have some LoCa and maybe less then perfect bokeh under certain circumstances but the sharpness is hard to blame at any aperture. Sony a7 Canon TS-E 90mm f/2.8 Sony FE 35mm F2.8 Sony FE 55mm F1.8 Sony FE 70-200 F4 +1 more PAntunes • Senior Member • Posts: 1,394 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 27, 2021 1 I think it will depend on your style of shooting. For me, the 85mm has to be in my kit at almost any shoot. I love the compression and how it makes my life much easier when shooting in busy locations. If you want to do more environmental images or shoot in small spaces a lot, the 55mm is a good compromise. But having the 35mm, I would go for the 85. newdom • Contributing Member • Posts: 774 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to blank_ • Apr 27, 2021 1 blank_ wrote:newdom wrote:not sure what you saw in MTF, but the 55mm is one of the sharpest lenses I've seen. It may have some LoCa and maybe less then perfect bokeh under certain circumstances but the sharpness is hard to blame at any aperture.RuiMarto wrote: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64759520 Certainly I've found my Samyang 35mm f1.8 to be sharper than my 55/1.8 was - although I could have had a bad copy of course. Sony a7C Sigma 24-70 F2.8 DG DN Sigma 100-400mm F5-6.3 DG DN OS Sony FE 28-60mm F4-5.6 ahaslett • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,807 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to newdom • Apr 27, 2021 newdom wrote:blank_ wrote:newdom wrote:not sure what you saw in MTF, but the 55mm is one of the sharpest lenses I've seen. It may have some LoCa and maybe less then perfect bokeh under certain circumstances but the sharpness is hard to blame at any aperture.RuiMarto wrote: It has worse LoCA too. Must compare them, since they are my two walkabout primes. Andrew -- hide signature -- Infinite are the arguments of mages. Truth is a jewel with many facets. Ursula K LeGuin Please feel free to edit any images that I post Sigma DP1 Merrill Sigma DP3 Merrill Olympus E-M1 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1 Sony a7R IV +35 more OP RuiMarto • New Member • Posts: 5 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to newdom • Apr 28, 2021 newdom wrote: I wasn't too impressed by the 55/1.8 personally, and I saw an MTF chart someone posted yesterday that showed it's age - it used to be considered a very sharp lens but now it's way down on more modern lenses. There are more recent 50mm lenses from Sony and Sigma that might be worth a look? From what I've seen, the 55mm is one of the top rendering lenses for Sony, but I might be wrong as to think that it probably is the best AF 50mm fast lens for Sony under 1000€ (actually under three-quarters of that). The 50mm Planar is a bit out of my budget for now, but that's one more reason in favor of the 85mm: save 45% compared to 90mm macro and eventually buy the 50mm Planar down the road. No? https://sonyalpha.blog/2021/01/12/which-lenses-for-a7riv-part-4-standard-from-35-to-65mm/ 50mm Macro could be a budget alternative, it does do macro, but at cost of light and it's also not amazingly sharp. Also thought about waiting a bit and just buy the Tamron 70-180 2.8. OP RuiMarto • New Member • Posts: 5 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to blank_ • Apr 28, 2021 blank_ wrote: That's my issue. I currently don't have easy access to any of them, so I'm trying to "mindguess" whether one is too narrow or okay-ish. I forgot to check sites like dpreview for non-cropped samples of food shots. Maybe that could help. In this regard the Tamron 70-180 2.8 might just be the solution. It breaks the budget at 1290€ around here, but it's wider than the 85mm 1.8, probably close call in sharpness and it can reach 0.5x at 70mm if manual focused (which would be the case anyway). https://sonyalpha.blog/2021/01/12/which-lenses-for-a7riv-part-5-telephoto-70-to-100mm/ OP RuiMarto • New Member • Posts: 5 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 28, 2021 1 So, after some thinking and research, I've come to a conclusion: Sigma 70mm 2.8 Macro Art. Looks like a versatile focal length for food and has macro. Even though the barrel extends, it's noisy and no stabilization, don't think that matters a lot to shoot food (the camera has IBIS but there's the tripod as well). Probably still short enough that I can still pull some flat lays from a small bench and long enough to pull some portraits, even if it's not the perfect tool for the job. I don't see portrait business having as high demand as food or products for the next few months, due to pandemics (I guess business still needs to sell online but would avoid getting people in the same room as an outsider). Also, for those, I need to build a portfolio, while for portraits it's already there. This being said, I'll probably still buy the 85mm but having the Sigma, it can wait. And if I'm able to get a good used deal under 400€, both 70mm Art + 85mm 1.8, will still be under the price of the likes of Sony 90mm Macro. QuietOC • Veteran Member • Posts: 7,104 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 28, 2021 1 RuiMarto wrote:newdom wrote: I wasn't too impressed by the 55/1.8 personally, and I saw an MTF chart someone posted yesterday that showed it's age - it used to be considered a very sharp lens but now it's way down on more modern lenses. There are more recent 50mm lenses from Sony and Sigma that might be worth a look? My FE 50 F2.8 Macro is amazingly sharp. But who knows about variation? The 55 1.8 and 70-180 I tried were both misaligned. The macro isn't designed for portrait rendering. The Sigma 65 F2 is likely a more reliable choice with more pleasant rendering. The lowly FE 50 F1.8 has quite nice rendering too and less variability. Pentax Q7 Sony a7R IV NEX-5T Sony a77 II Sony DT 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 +103 more Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 28, 2021 1 It's a matter of taste, but I've spent decades using essentially a 35 + 85/90mm combination, without missing a FL of 50mm or so at all. The world seems to be divided between those who consider the "normal" FL to be 35 or 50 (or 40)mm. Back to the 55 vs. 85mm question: in most cases, 85mm will probably be a better portrait FL, unless you're into half body or wider shots. With head & shoulder shots, the perspective distortion with 55mm is noticeable. For food photography on the other hand, 85mm can be too long if you're photographing dishes from above (stand on a chair or the table? Use a monster tripod?). 55mm would be better, though, used carefully, 35mm could do a good job as well. I'd definitely stick to my well proven 35 + 85/90 formula, but then I see "normally" in 35mm... Edit: I see a lot of interest in macro lenses for food... Are you really going to be photographing individual berries or a single julienned piece of carrot? OP RuiMarto • New Member • Posts: 5 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA Rol Lei Nut wrote: It's a matter of taste, but I've spent decades using essentially a 35 + 85/90mm combination, without missing a FL of 50mm or so at all. The world seems to be divided between those who consider the "normal" FL to be 35 or 50 (or 40)mm. And just like you, I'm in the "normal is 35mm" club. lol that's why it was right away the first lens. Also as a portrait photographer in the past, 50mm wasn't something I was using much. Either 16-35mm or 70-200mm. Back to the 55 vs. 85mm question: in most cases, 85mm will probably be a better portrait FL, unless you're into half body or wider shots. With head & shoulder shots, the perspective distortion with 55mm is noticeable. For food photography on the other hand, 85mm can be too long if you're photographing dishes from above (stand on a chair or the table? Use a monster tripod?). 55mm would be better, though, used carefully, 35mm could do a good job as well. Meanwhile, I've decided to go for the middle at 70mm for now. I'll later get an 85 or 135. Edit: I see a lot of interest in macro lenses for food... Are you really going to be photographing individual berries or a single julienned piece of carrot? Not really, don't think so. I guess (at least for me), it's not about having true 1:1 macro, but having an acceptable level of freedom to get close. As in, if I want to fill the field of view with half/quarter of a plate, I can do it without cropping. Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 28, 2021 1 RuiMarto wrote:Rol Lei Nut wrote: It's a matter of taste, but I've spent decades using essentially a 35 + 85/90mm combination, without missing a FL of 50mm or so at all. The world seems to be divided between those who consider the "normal" FL to be 35 or 50 (or 40)mm. I don’t think you need a macro lens for food photography. The 35mm focuses really close and will do you most of the time. The 55mm is terrible in comparison as it’s Mfd is too long. I would get the 85mm 1.8, if you want an “at the table” feel use the 35mm. Otherwise if you have the space, use the 85mm. 55mm is a bit meh for food. Fujifilm FinePix Real 3D W3 Panasonic Lumix DMC-G2 Sony a5100 Sony a7 II Fujifilm X-T20 +12 more arson519 • Forum Member • Posts: 68 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 28, 2021 1 i have all three but if i had 35 its a no brainer 85 is next 55 maybe later Panasonic S1 Sony a7S III Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM Art Sony FE 55mm F1.8 Sigma 50mm F1.4 DG HSM | A +3 more dave • Senior Member • Posts: 1,531 Re: Portrait + Food Photography: Sony 85 1.8 vs 55 1.8 ZA In reply to RuiMarto • Apr 28, 2021 1 If you didn't have the 35/1.8, the 55/1.8 would be the best choice. Since you have the 35/1.8 that is need for close work in product shots, the 85/1.8 is best. If budget wasn't limited, I would get the 90/2.8G macro. I use a 55mm for product shots myself, even though I have the 90/2.8G. Shot the 35 in aps-c mode for 52mm at 18mp effective. 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