So sánh len 24-105 và 18-135

Does anyone have any experience with both of theses lenses (18-105 & 18-135)? I am looking to replace my kit lens (16-50) with one of these two lenses for my every day walk around lens for my a6000.

I hate changing lenses and typically always have two cameras with me. When I visit National Parks I will take my a7r3 with my adapted Canon 16-35 on it and my a6300 with the 24-105 on that camera. I will also take the 70-300 so I can switch lens camera combos depending on what type of shooting I am doing.

I just bought a second hand a6500 so now I can use my 10-18 with the a6300 and 24-105 with the a6500. This would be my kit when wanting to travel as light as I can. I know I can go even lighter by getting the 18-135 instead of using the 24-105. I am gaining a little more range but losing a little lens speed. I am losing some bulk and weight as well. I am curious if anyone has compared the 24-105 and 18-135 on a 6300/6500 and if you have found any material differences in image quality.

Gary

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snapa • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,597

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gary stepic wrote:

I hate changing lenses and typically always have two cameras with me. When I visit National Parks I will take my a7r3 with my adapted Canon 16-35 on it and my a6300 with the 24-105 on that camera. I will also take the 70-300 so I can switch lens camera combos depending on what type of shooting I am doing.

I just bought a second hand a6500 so now I can use my 10-18 with the a6300 and 24-105 with the a6500. This would be my kit when wanting to travel as light as I can. I know I can go even lighter by getting the 18-135 instead of using the 24-105. I am gaining a little more range but losing a little lens speed. I am losing some bulk and weight as well. I am curious if anyone has compared the 24-105 and 18-135 on a 6300/6500 and if you have found any material differences in image quality.

Gary

Going on a vacation with 3 cameras and 4 zoom lenses seems a bit extreme to me. I would only take the a6300, 18-135 and a prime lens for lower light & higher IQ. I don't think you need all those cameras or lenses to get great pictures of your vacation. It must be a PITA to decide which camera/lens you need to use for each situation, not to mention carrying all that gear!

I've never used the 24-105 lens, but the 18-135 meets and exceeds all of my vacation needs. If I need better (even sharper IQ) and a faster lens, I carry the Sigma 30 f2.8, and that is all I need. I try to enjoying my vacations more than thinking about (and carrying) too much gear. Just something you might want to think about.

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rjjr • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,769

Re: Sony 24-105 vs 18-135

gary stepic wrote:

I hate changing lenses and typically always have two cameras with me. When I visit National Parks I will take my a7r3 with my adapted Canon 16-35 on it and my a6300 with the 24-105 on that camera. I will also take the 70-300 so I can switch lens camera combos depending on what type of shooting I am doing.

I just bought a second hand a6500 so now I can use my 10-18 with the a6300 and 24-105 with the a6500. This would be my kit when wanting to travel as light as I can. I know I can go even lighter by getting the 18-135 instead of using the 24-105. I am gaining a little more range but losing a little lens speed. I am losing some bulk and weight as well. I am curious if anyone has compared the 24-105 and 18-135 on a 6300/6500 and if you have found any material differences in image quality.

I also use more than one body on a regular basis and have done so since the '70s. My current walkaround rig is my A6300 w/ Sony 18-135 and my A6500 w/ Sigma 16/1.4 C. I also bring along my Sony 70-300 in my bag.

I haven't yet seen a Sony 24-105 to try but I have owned 2 Canon EF 24-1054/ L IS lenses and tried the Sigma 24-105/4 Art. I found the IQ, FL range and size of the 18-135 to be more suitable than those lenses. I usually use smaller apertures on walkaround so I don't miss the constant f/4.

I use the same rig on travel but I also pack my Sony 20/2.8 pancake for my A6500 and use only that when I want a very small, jacket/cargo pocketable rig.

OP gary stepic • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,204

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In reply to rjjr • Jul 18, 2018

I have had many kits and tried a lot of combos, I know searching for the perfect combo is something many of my experienced friend photographers still do. I really need to determine what my final uses will be. For the internet a good phone can do and I will use shots from my phone. I like the idea of being able to do some larger prints, 30"x20" or even a 5'x4' canvas (and I know canvas is more forgiving of detail). This is why I probably will sell my RX10iii. I really liked my RX10iii but at times wanted a higher quality file. I am even debating about how much I really need my a7riii.

I have done all types of photography but mainly want to concentrate on travel photography, maybe do a travel blog. I have shot a ton of sports so may even see if the a6500/a6300 can do the job with my GM 70-200 2.8. I may do a few more weddings and some family portraits, and I shoot sports for our local University so will probably hang on to my 24-105 and a7riii, but the older I get the simpler I want my life to be so the 18-135/a6500 and 10-18/a6300 combo is appealing to me.

Gary

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rjjr • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,769

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gary stepic wrote: the older I get the simpler I want my life to be so the 18-135/a6500 and 10-18/a6300 combo is appealing to me.

I tried the 10-18 and found three things, 16mm is as wide as I want to go, I sometimes want wider apertures available on a wide angle, and the IQ of the 10-18s I tried were not acceptable to me. Hence my use of the Sigma 16.

I agree that simple can be better so my phone frequently gets used for sharing snapshots with family and friends and I use the A6500 w/ 20/2.8 only for an excellent quality small rig.

Re: Sony 24-105 vs 18-135

gary stepic wrote:

I hate changing lenses and typically always have two cameras with me. When I visit National Parks I will take my a7r3 with my adapted Canon 16-35 on it and my a6300 with the 24-105 on that camera. I will also take the 70-300 so I can switch lens camera combos depending on what type of shooting I am doing.

I just bought a second hand a6500 so now I can use my 10-18 with the a6300 and 24-105 with the a6500. This would be my kit when wanting to travel as light as I can.

I like the combination of one 'kit' or extended kit for the standard focal ranges, and one UWA for the tight spots especially if travel will be taking you to city streets and old buildings...so having either the A7RIII with the 16-35mm Canon, or one of the APS-C bodies with the 10-18mm, would be one good kit to have for the wide end. I personally have a pretty good copy of the 10-18mm and I do often like and need to go very wide - I often use it at the 10mm end on APS-C...I do have the very good Sigma 16mm F1.4 for fast and wide, but need that ultrawide as well.

As for the other kit - I have only a very brief few minutes playing with the 24-105mm on a friend's camera...nice lens, but definitely a little chunkier and heavier - the 18-135mm by comparison would be much lighter and more portable and chuckable...especially once you put both on APS-C. The 24-105mm makes perfect sense on the full frame to get a little more reach and speed than a basic kit range...but on APS-C it would (at least for me) often feel too tight - and I'd probably be bothered by the gap in range between the 10-18mm and the 24mm of that lens...a lot of shooting for me goes on in that 18-24mm focal range on APS-C. And the 18-135mm has proven to be a great lens for me - definitely a favorite and quickly relegated my 18-55mm to storage status, and reduced much occasion to bring the 55-210mm either.

As for traveling with multiple bodies and lenses - I admit I do as well...often two bodies and I'll usually bring 10-14 lenses along. I just don't take them all with me every day...usually I'll choose a small bag with one body and maybe 2-3 lenses - or sometimes two bodies with one lens attached to each...and some days I may just leave all back in the room and take just a single camera plus attached lens...all depends on what I intend to shoot that day, where I'll be, how safe the area is, and so on.

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val1 • Senior Member • Posts: 2,354

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Tough call.. your A7r3 will perform the best hands down even with the 24-105 it will our perform all the lens options on the A6XXX. I would probably think about what and when i want to shoot as well as how large I plan to print. For example, the A6XXX lower resolution sensor and lens combination might be a bummer for landscapes but it does perform pretty well at f/8. SO the 6500+10-18 sounds good. The A7r3 with the 24-105 is great but a lot heavier than the 18-135. The FE version is optically far better. You may want to just change lenses.... or grab a cheap old A7r or a7r2 and put on the 12-24mm. I think mixing FE and APSC for that reason is probably a bit of a mistake but it depends what you shoot. The 24-105 on APSC just seems like a waste of time, effort and weight.

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Re: Sony 24-105 vs 18-135

In reply to snapa • Jul 18, 2018

snapa wrote:

gary stepic wrote:

I hate changing lenses and typically always have two cameras with me. When I visit National Parks I will take my a7r3 with my adapted Canon 16-35 on it and my a6300 with the 24-105 on that camera. I will also take the 70-300 so I can switch lens camera combos depending on what type of shooting I am doing.

I just bought a second hand a6500 so now I can use my 10-18 with the a6300 and 24-105 with the a6500. This would be my kit when wanting to travel as light as I can. I know I can go even lighter by getting the 18-135 instead of using the 24-105. I am gaining a little more range but losing a little lens speed. I am losing some bulk and weight as well. I am curious if anyone has compared the 24-105 and 18-135 on a 6300/6500 and if you have found any material differences in image quality.

Gary

Going on a vacation with 3 cameras and 4 zoom lenses seems a bit extreme to me. I would only take the a6300, 18-135 and a prime lens for lower light & higher IQ. I don't think you need all those cameras or lenses to get great pictures of your vacation. It must be a PITA to decide which camera/lens you need to use for each situation, not to mention carrying all that gear!

I've never used the 24-105 lens, but the 18-135 meets and exceeds all of my vacation needs. If I need better (even sharper IQ) and a faster lens, I carry the Sigma 30 f2.8, and that is all I need. I try to enjoying my vacations more than thinking about (and carrying) too much gear. Just something you might want to think about.

I think it's fully reasonable as long as you use what you bring, especially if the focal lengths are different. My travel kit is 1 body, 10-18, 18-135, and the 24 prime. If I was more serious about telephoto, I'd have to consider the 70-300 too. I currently don't really travel with that because it's only an extra 2.2 times the 135.

OP: I've never used the 24-105 so I can't comment on IQ differences. But if you're shooting APS-C the 18-135 is a much more useful range, and is a really useful travel lens. It is a great size/balance on the a6300 with good handling. I previously had the 18-105 and I don't miss the F4.

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Gary3000 • Senior Member • Posts: 1,545

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In reply to val1 • Jul 18, 2018

val1 wrote: The 24-105 on APSC just seems like a waste of time, effort and weight.

agreed. unless it's the longest lens in your package.

fabulous lens for a FF sensor, but for travel the 18-135 is a far better choice on the APS-C, as its both wider and telephoto'er.

as per comparison, imagine the 24-105 and FF combo probably produces better results when pixel peeping.

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JohnNEX • Senior Member • Posts: 2,705

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gary stepic wrote: I am curious if anyone has compared the 24-105 and 18-135 on a 6300/6500 and if you have found any material differences in image quality.

The answer is probably 'no'. I have definitely not seen any comparisons out there.

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snapa • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,597

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In reply to JohnNEX • Jul 18, 2018

JohnNEX wrote:

gary stepic wrote: I am curious if anyone has compared the 24-105 and 18-135 on a 6300/6500 and if you have found any material differences in image quality.

The answer is probably 'no'. I have definitely not seen any comparisons out there.

As an APS-C advocate, I'm not really interested in a comparison, but I hope the OP finds one. I'd much rather have a combo for travel. I would also require a much wider/longer reach for a travel camera lens, especially on the short end of the focal range!!!

Besides all that, I seriously doubt the 24-105 would have any IQ advantage vs the 18-135 on any APS-C camera. Not to mention, paying $700 more for the much larger FF 24-105 lens, would make absolutely no sense to me.

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OP gary stepic • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,204

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In reply to snapa • Jul 19, 2018

I am not debating about buying a 24-105 as I already have it to pair with my a7r3 when I need the best quality files. I am debating about adding a 18-135 for times when I will not take the a7r3. If I will not notice any drop off in image quality then I most likely will get the 18-135 as it is lighter, smaller, with more range.

I would have a slightly faster lens using the 24-105, which is a trade off I have to consider.

Gary

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Gary3000 • Senior Member • Posts: 1,545

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gary stepic wrote:

I am not debating about buying a 24-105 as I already have it to pair with my a7r3 when I need the best quality files. I am debating about adding a 18-135 for times when I will not take the a7r3. If I will not notice any drop off in image quality then I most likely will get the 18-135 as it is lighter, smaller, with more range.

I would have a slightly faster lens using the 24-105, which is a trade off I have to consider.

Gary

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Makes sense. tough dilemma

I'd say the decision is less about IQ, and more about if you think you could live without having the 25-34mm equiv focal range on your A6500. - people seem very pleased with their 18-135's tho. - even if it can be proven that the 24-105 has a sharper image, it might not be worth taking on a trip.

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Re: Sony 24-105 vs 18-135

Today I bought an A6400 with 100-400 and 24-105.

I'll probably get an 18-135 because the 24-105 seems so heavy just for walking around. I may keep the 24-105 for occasions when I seek sharpness. But I definitely want a lighter lens either instead or too.

Incidentally, the 100-400 blows away my P900 on simulated bird tests.

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