I am confused between the Canon EOS Rebel T6 1300D and the Nikon D3300. While the Canon has an in-built wireless it seems to be an inferior camera to the Nikon but they cost about the same.
Are these two cameras really as equivalent as the price suggests?
Sandor Dosa
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The Canon EOS Rebel T6 1300D has a smaller sensor [18 mega-pixels] than the Nikon D3300 [24 mega-pixels].
That is not the whole story. The Canon is a newer camera design with newer hardware. Canon designed it specifically for the entry level dSLR photographer. The Nikon D3300 is a three year old design and while still valuable [I use one] it does not have all of the newest features.
Its like trying to compare this year's Honda Accord with a four year old Jeep Compass because the dealer wants the same for both cars.
answered Mar 21, 2017 at 17:08
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With DSLRs you are buying into a system You are comparing one element of each of the systems, however when adding lenses/flashes etc into the mix the result could be closer/swing the other way.
A reason someone could choose the on paper inferior camera is that they have friends/family with Canon gear that they would be able to share.
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I have been doing webcam astrophotography of the planets and moon for a couple of years and now want to move into DSO imaging with a DSLR.
My budget is £300-£400 but I only want to go up towards £400 if it will really make a difference.
I have an Orion Optics [UK] 10" Europa Newtonian [F4.8] on a NEQ6 mount.
I have been looking at the Canon 1300D and the Nikon D3300. Does anyone have any input with regards to choosing between these two DSLRs?
Canon 1300D
- APS-C [22.3 x 14.9 mm] sensor
- ISO 100 - 12800
- 3fps [if I decide to use it like webcam for planetary work]
- 485g
Nikon D3300
- APS-C [23.5 x 15.6 mm] sensor
- ISO 100 - 25600
- 5fps [if I decide to use it like webcam for planetary work]
- 430g
- Does anyone know if the pixel size of these two DSLRs is appropriate for average seeing at my Focal Ratio of 4.8?
- The Nikon has a slightly larger sensor but more MP, will the pixels be smaller/more tightly packed and what effect does this have on image quality for DSO?
- The Nikon also has a bigger ISO range, will I ever need to go that high? I do not have guide camera so expect to be taking a higher number of short exposures rather than few long exposures which would lend itself to higher ISO.
Thanks in advance for any input.
Kind regards
Michael
pallikas
Posted 06 December 2016 - 07:05 AM
Don't go for the Nikon D3300, as the D3xxx series do not support remote control from a computer. That is only available on the D5xxx and above cameras.
As for pixel size, they will work well with that Focal ratio, given your FL.
I use both a Canon 1200D modified and a Nikon D7200.
For your budget, I would suggest you go with the Canon, and get it modified for Ha, or look for a deal on a used camera here that is already modified, as they are in your price range. Also, the Canon can accommodate internal clip in filters for LPR, and if you get it modified, an Original White Balance clip in is available from Astronomik, that will restore the camera to normal usability.
I think the Nikon D5300 is a better option, if you can get one, as they have better noise figures at the higher iso's and use the popular Sony Chip, but research to make sure that if you are buying an older camera, that is supports full remote in Bulb mode via the USB interface, I know the D5100 does not, and the D5300 does.
Also, a desirable feature, IMHO, is that you get a model with an articulating LCD Screen, to make manual interaction with the camera easier in odd positions.
Additional note: for planetary, you will find the chip too large unless you are using a barlow, but you will shoot planetary in movie mode,, so the FPS rates of the cameras for multiple exposures is irrelevant.
Edited by pallikas, 06 December 2016 - 07:08 AM.
nikao
Posted 06 December 2016 - 07:48 AM
I'd go for the D5300 as well. It's worth it.
As for ISO ranges; The good thing about Nikon is that you don't need [and should not!] go to high ISOs. Therefor you'll have much more dynamic range on a Nikon than on a Canon in practical use.
mikesss123
Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:51 AM
Thank you for your replies, both very helpful. I think I'll stump up for the D5300! Its only just above budget really.
Thanks again for your help, much appreciated.
Edited by mikesss123, 06 December 2016 - 10:52 AM.
pallikas
Posted 06 December 2016 - 10:54 AM
BTW, unless you have a need for it outside of AP, best to buy used on ebay. I had my camera modified at lifepixel.com, and I think it cost about $185 for the mod. Well worth it, if you are going to photo nebulae.
mikesss123
Posted 06 December 2016 - 11:27 AM
Thanks pallikas. Just before I rush out and buy the D5300, in your experience, would I be better with a moded Canon 1300D or unmoded D5300. I have no need for the camera other than AP. I do intend on attempting nebulae.
Thanks again.
guyroch
Posted 06 December 2016 - 01:26 PM
Thank you for your replies, both very helpful. I think I'll stump up for the D5300! Its only just above budget really. Thanks again for your help, much appreciated.
Excellent choice!
nikao
Posted 06 December 2016 - 01:28 PM
Thanks pallikas. Just before I rush out and buy the D5300, in your experience, would I be better with a moded Canon 1300D or unmoded D5300. I have no need for the camera other than AP. I do intend on attempting nebulae. Thanks again.
modded D5300
[why wouldn't that be an option?]
Jerry Lodriguss
Posted 06 December 2016 - 01:39 PM
Just before I rush out and buy the D5300, in your experience, would I be better with a moded Canon 1300D or unmoded D5300. I have no need for the camera other than AP. I do intend on attempting nebulae.
A modded camera is going to be much better for emission nebula than an unmodded one.
The D5300 is going to be better for deep-sky than the 1300D, but you're not going to be able to use the D5300 for lucky planetary imaging at all.
Jerry
pallikas
Posted 06 December 2016 - 01:52 PM
Thanks pallikas. Just before I rush out and buy the D5300, in your experience, would I be better with a moded Canon 1300D or unmoded D5300. I have no need for the camera other than AP. I do intend on attempting nebulae. Thanks again.
I would go for the D5300 for now, and get it modded later, when you can afford to. There are a lot of targets that don't suffer as much from lack of Ha sensitivity, but the D5300 is so much better, that in the long run, it will be the better option.
If funds are that tight, get the modded Canon used for a decent price, and you should always be able to sell it without too much loss, and move up to the Nikon then.
Backyard Nikon is an excellent piece of SW that supports Nikon [as well as Canon]. Other options include Nebulosity, and Astrophotography Tool. All are modestly priced SW, and then there is Kstars/Ekos which is free, and runs on Linux and as a VM under Oracle VirtualBox [also Free], All support NIkon and Canon.
Edited by pallikas, 06 December 2016 - 01:53 PM.
mikesss123
Posted 07 December 2016 - 02:57 AM
Nikao, haha that was my first thought but I think that will push me too far over budget!
I'm going to go with the D5300 and get it modded in the future.
Thanks for your help guys, and thanks pallikas for the software tips! I'll check those out when I have the camera.
Cheers
nikao
Posted 07 December 2016 - 06:30 AM
That's probably the best you can do at this point. Alternative would be modded D5100, but I think getting a D5300 now and mod it later is better.
Merk
Posted 07 December 2016 - 01:51 PM
Just before I rush out and buy the D5300, in your experience, would I be better with a moded Canon 1300D or unmoded D5300. I have no need for the camera other than AP. I do intend on attempting nebulae.A modded camera is going to be much better for emission nebula than an unmodded one.
The D5300 is going to be better for deep-sky than the 1300D, but you're not going to be able to use the D5300 for lucky planetary imaging at all.
Jerry
The last update of backyard nikon includes the 5x feature for planetary, so I think he will be able to do some planetary if he buys the software.
Haven't tried it my self yet, so I can't tell for sure.
Jerry Lodriguss
Posted 07 December 2016 - 02:02 PM
> Just before I rush out and buy the D5300, in your experience, would I be better with a moded Canon 1300D or unmoded D5300. I have no need for the camera other than AP. I do intend on attempting nebulae.A modded camera is going to be much better for emission nebula than an unmodded one.
The D5300 is going to be better for deep-sky than the 1300D, but you're not going to be able to use the D5300 for lucky planetary imaging at all.
JerryThe last update of backyard nikon includes the 5x feature for planetary, so I think he will be able to do some planetary if he buys the software.
Haven't tried it my self yet, so I can't tell for sure.
Nope. Not going to work.
Edit: let me clarify. BYN is going to work, and it will record the Live View out of the D5300.
It's just that the JPEGs out of Live View are so highly compressed as to be unusable for high-res planetary.
And you'll only get about 5fps at 5x magnifiction, which is another killer.
Jerry
Edited by Jerry Lodriguss, 07 December 2016 - 03:24 PM.
DuncanM
Posted 07 December 2016 - 02:36 PM
Also check out Digicam control:
//digicamcontrol.com/
guyroch
Posted 07 December 2016 - 10:40 PM
>> Just before I rush out and buy the D5300, in your experience, would I be better with a moded Canon 1300D or unmoded D5300. I have no need for the camera other than AP. I do intend on attempting nebulae.A modded camera is going to be much better for emission nebula than an unmodded one.The D5300 is going to be better for deep-sky than the 1300D, but you're not going to be able to use the D5300 for lucky planetary imaging at all.
JerryThe last update of backyard nikon includes the 5x feature for planetary, so I think he will be able to do some planetary if he buys the software.
Haven't tried it my self yet, so I can't tell for sure.Nope. Not going to work.
Edit: let me clarify. BYN is going to work, and it will record the Live View out of the D5300.
It's just that the JPEGs out of Live View are so highly compressed as to be unusable for high-res planetary.
And you'll only get about 5fps at 5x magnifiction, which is another killer.
Jerry
Jerry is correct. Although the last version does have a 5x zoom in BYN it is not a true sensor 1:1 pixel ratio like most Canon offers with the same 5x zoom feature.
So, if your main goal is deep sky imaging then the D5300 is an excellent choice due to it's Sony sensor.
If planetary is your main goal you are better off with a Canon because of its 5x live view zoom. I will also add that a Canon 1300D is not a consolation prize for DSO either, it is a good choice all around.
Hope this helps.
Guylain
guyroch
Posted 07 December 2016 - 10:42 PM
That still will not address the fact that live view frames are highly compressed with Nikons as opposed to Canons. It is a camera body issue, not a software issue.
Is Canon 1300D still a good camera?
The EOS 1300D is a great entry-level DSLR, beginner Canon camera, and it is ideal for photographer newbies to learn the first steps. It is easy to use and navigate its features. The camera is suitable for various genres, from landscape to portrait photography.
Is the Nikon D3300 a professional camera?
It was marketed as an entry-level DSLR camera for beginners [offering tutorial- and improved guide-mode] and experienced DSLR hobbyist who were ready for more advanced specs and performance. It replaced the D3200 as Nikon's entry level DSLR.
Which brand is best for DSLR camera Nikon or Canon?
Many consider Canon DSLRs easier to handle, while Nikon takes the lead with mirrorless. It is all about what feels right to you. For most photographers, once they choose their brand, they don't often switch. After all, getting rid of your equipment is not easy after spending so much on it.
How old is the Canon 1300D?
The Canon EOS 1300D, known as the Rebel T6 in the Americas or as the Kiss X80 in Japan, is an 18.0 megapixels digital single-lens reflex camera [DSLR] made by Canon. It was announced on March 10, 2016, with a suggested retail price of US$549.00. 1/4000 sec.